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    Hey guys. Currently on 400 mg test cyp, 600 mg primo-e a week. my body fat is quite high atm and i am cutting and making progress so my first question would be

    Would adding a low dose of say 400mg deca a week be 'dangerous' at slightly over 20% body fat?

    Additionally, i forgot where but i saw a thread on here claiming 'legit deca' should be yellowish? is this true, like is there no "clear" colored decas that are legit?

    sorry this will probably seem like dumb questions to the more experienced people

  • #2
    Hello, what is your cycle history?

    Why do you want to add in deca? Is there any specific reason? Deca is used more bulking and I see no point in adding it to this cycle.

    You being at about 20% BF you are more prone to gyno, meaning the more fat you hold, the more estrogen you will have in your body.

    Limit your saturated fats and make sure your taking an AI, if adding deca look into adding caber.

    As for the colouring, it should have a little yellow tinge in there, but in saying that if it is clear, I don’t see how it is bunk, it might just be used the chemicals they have used to brew it. All in all a labmax test will give you the answer you need.

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    • #3
      Hey dude.

      first cycle was heavy.
      test e 750mg
      tren e 600mg
      mast e 600mg
      winny 50mg
      dbol 25.

      yes i know it was ****ing stupid 😂 bodyfat was way lower tho. Only sides i really got was constantly winded and trensomnia


      second cycle. Test e 500mg / eq (not sure. It said kryptos 600mg/ml eq but lots of people say thats impossible. If possible then yeah 1200mg ) / var 40mg ed


      ive ran an a.i for a solid year id say. Cycling through them. E.g adex for a few months, aromasin for a few then letro. And rinse repeat (wont be using letro again tho)

      i have gyno already. Very minor. Post pubertal. I can confirm via ultrasound test none of my cycles increased it at all.

      the reason for deca? Im a power lifter. Im told the joint benefits are amazing. Am i wrong?

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      • Hertderg
        Hertderg commented
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        If you're a powerlifter, then why did you run compounds like masteron and winny? Primo is a slow gainer, so I'm not sure the reason for that either?
        Deca doesn't have to be yellow, no. That's more than likely down to carrier oils.
        I'm not saying 600mgs is possible, but it's the most likely compound to hold at high concentration.
        Adding Deca with a higher bodyfat means more chance of prolactin issues due to higher estrogen levels. Having said that, for joint cushioning effects you'd only need 200mg per week.

      • kristoffzerussian
        kristoffzerussian commented
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        Read the first comment dude. I admitted my first cycle was dumb. It was basically i was getting **** dirt cheap, i was half way through a test only cycle and got into the bad mentality adding more meant id feel even better.

        With that said, masteron and winny made my strength sky rocket.

        Whats wrong with a mild slow gainer for a pler? Im not impatient. More muscle isnt a bad thing? Its my fave compound so far.

    • #4
      The joint benefits are amazing
      Deca is by far my favourite compound...
      Just alot of people fake it for some reason and u end up with test e..
      I got these baltic amps 200mg and i checked the authentication code and they checked out and it had a slight yellow tinge to it
      Not dark at all very light yellow tinge
      I also asked this question on another board coz im now paranoid of everyones deca and some people rekon it depends on the carriers oil used.

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      • #5
        If you want to cut 500mg of test and watch your diet

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        • #6
          Hey mate listen to what th appt has said, I don’t think you need that much gear in your system just to lose weight, training and diet is the foundation of a good weight loss program.

          I would have done it naturally then once got lower used AAS, for support, though everyone is different mate, go 500mg Test a week.

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          • #7
            I would definitely drop the primo and lower the test to 250mg a week. Do some cardio and watch your diet, anything above 15% bf is easy to lose.

            If you do need help, look into some gw50516 to help you with cardio.
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            • #8
              Not using it to cut. Using it for strength, recovery etc. As i said im a power lifter. Plenty of power liftes over 25, even 35% on quad triple the gear im on. Like yes i am cutting but strength is my focus and i hate orals and cant stand tren so.

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              • #9
                Why don't you try and cut to 15% bf on the gear? I'm also a powerlifter realised I was too heavy carrying too much bf around 20% decided to let my ego aside and sacrifice my lifts to drop bf it'll be hard at the start but well worth it in the end, going down to 15% bf and staying the same weight you'll be a ****ing animal.

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                • kristoffzerussian
                  kristoffzerussian commented
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                  did you mean to say off the gear? or you actually mean on the gear? cos thats what im doing. cutting on it. haha, i think my cycle is very tame and risk free even if someone was at 40% i mean test cyp 400 mg and 600mg primo? like honestly. If i was about to jump on like 500+ mg deca or tren or something id understand the whole 15% magical requirement for gear but im fine. estrogen is controlled, cholesterol is right down. I feel like if i just abruptly stop now il go backwards.

                • Ninjathecat
                  Ninjathecat commented
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                  Haha I didn't read the original post properly saying you were cutting atm, yeah I meant on the gear don't think anyone would cut off it.

                • kristoffzerussian
                  kristoffzerussian commented
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                  well a few people here basically told me to go TRT doses.. one said to ditch primo and up my test up to 500???? if high bodyfat is the issue why would i ditch the non-aromatizing compound for more aromatizing compound lol :thinking:

                  but as for adding deca in on top, maybe they are right though. Maybe 400 test / 600 primo is good enough till 15%

              • #10
                The reason we suggested it, is because it can be done with a lower dose of gear, it is also easier for recovery, you want strength and power no problems, then a TRT dose is fine to help you preserve muscle and cut your body fat.

                You have so much gear in your system that is not needed, why not cut and then blast when you are at 15?

                I mean your current plan doesn’t make sense, you did say you were cutting, then you mentioned you were a power lifter.

                You ask for our help and try to dismiss everything we say, why ask for help in the first place, we are looking out for your safety not ours.

                Anyways no hate intended, just cold hard truth, you are going to
                do what you are going to do.. So go right ahead.

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                • Ahou987
                  Ahou987 commented
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                  Again, it’s cool that you blast and cruise mate, I am not saying anything about that, but as I have stated you should of mentioned it.

                  Like I stated we recommend a TRT dose to keep eatrogen in check, it isn’t all related to side effects, but you are losing money, wasting time and gear, for no apparent reason other then cutting your BF.

                  The recommendation was there to help you achieve success, why didn’t you cut and then bulk using primo? Why is the primo even in there, it makes no sense. Like I stated your using to much gear to achieve your goals and it’s not needed.

                  I hope we answered your question about deca I will not repeat it.

                  My advice is partly on side effect minimisation, but if you had a TRT dose, then you wouldn’t need to worry about gyno per say.

                  I don’t care if your a power lifter, I was just explaining to you that you need to explain things better or give up your information better, then giving bits and pieces.

                • kristoffzerussian
                  kristoffzerussian commented
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                  Lots of people use primo when cutting? Its not gunna hinder my ability to cut, it may even speed it up. I dont see the problem other than "its not needed" and as i said, no gear is "needed"
                  I find it extremely difficult to lose weight. So if theres an advantage il take it. I cant stand stimulants or id be going that route. I prefer to fast and eat low(lower than what traditionally would be recommended) cals and get there faster. As i know my will power doesnt last long. I know this about myself and instead of trying to fight it and go through multiple phases of failure im working around it. Its working. Idk what else to say. I only asked about deca for some joint relief btw. As for estrogen ive told you from the start that its well under control. Infact it maybe too low at this point. And that the gyno i do have is post pubertal and ive run way worse cycles in gyno causing before and according to ultrasound the gyno didnt even grow. A gram of test ( never would run that much again btw ) is when i BEGIN to get some sorta nipple irritation. Thanks for the tips though

                • Ahou987
                  Ahou987 commented
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                  Again you missed the point completely, just stick to what your doing, I am not going to argue with you.

              • #11
                Equal Test and Deca is frowned upon and seeing as your a power lifter, 200mg of NPP will improve your strength , muscle and joint recovery. Wont give you any gyno/prolactin issues even at 20% bf But if you do add deca you'll be better off with Nandrolone Propionate.

                Deca raws always have a slight yellow tint. It's possible that lower dosed deca like 100mg/ml NPP brewed in MCT oil could appear clear.

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                • kristoffzerussian
                  kristoffzerussian commented
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                  why is equal test and deca frowned upon? is test meant to be higher or lower than deca when taken?

                  Also can NPP be done twice weekly like enanthate esters or is it like a every 2nd day like prop etc

                • Hertderg
                  Hertderg commented
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                  Equal Deca and test is frowned upon as Deca has the highest binding affinity to the androgen receptor, yet has little androgenic effect, so more test is required to keep androgenicity in balance.

              • #12
                There are many ways deca @ 200mg per week will mask joint pain. You can take 250mg test to 200-600mg deca no problems

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